Having just successfully reassured another group of parents that the internet won't eat their young, listening to CNN's clueless "American Morning" anchor attempt to pin this one on MySpace and YouTube really irritated me. She basically asked the victim's mother if MySpace would now be persona non grata at home, and mom talks about how horrible it is because parents can't access their teens' personal accounts and know everything going on (online) -- as if there was a time when parents knew everything about teens' lives before the internet.
The incident itself was extreme bullying. What may have surprised people is that it was a bunch of cheerleaders acting like a girl gang, except they weren't jumping their victim in, they wanted to send a message to her and other girls like her that "trash talking" has consequences (unlike beating the crap out of someone). There has been a steady increase in girl-on-girl violence over the past several years that has nothing to do with the internet. The idea of filming and posting the beating is not new -- this has been happening here and in Europe for awhile (these types of videos being posted to YouTube). Before YouTube, teens made sure word of these types of fights or beatdowns got around the old fashioned way, i.e. word of mouth. Now they can literally broadcast it "for their friends" and others at school. Most teens who post these videos only intend for them to be seen by their peers. This video never made it to YouTube, instead it went right to television for the whole world to see. The idea of posting it to YouTube didn't inspire the beating -- it's just the new way of making sure the other kids at school know it happened.
The internet didn't make those cheerleaders beat up that girl. If the internet didn't exist, and she "trash talked" them at school, I guarantee you they would have done it anyway. If anything, the internet may have given the victim a false sense of security that she could say stuff ("trash talk") she probably would not have had the courage to say in real life to an "invisible audience" on MySpace without realizing that it would get out. Teens still don't understand that if they don't want someone to find out about what they posted about them online, they shouldn't post it - period. If parents could focus on driving this message home instead of on how they can spy on their kids 24/7, we might begin to see a little less drama that can lead to this type of vicious bullying.
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I'm not aware of any other cases of American students beating up a classmate with the intention of posting it to the internet.
Since assault is a crime, apparently most kids can figure out that wouldn't be a good idea.
Posted by: Eric Jaffa | April 9, 2008 7:45 AM
I absolutely agree with you on this. The Internet is being used as a scapegoat by the parents. The world of a teenager is and always has been rather mysterious, especially to their parents. Arguing that MySpace blocks parents from accessing their teen's profiles tells me two things:
1. A lack of parental control on the use of the Internet. If those parents controlled and supervised their children's use of the Internet, they would never be locked out of anything.
2. False sense of righteousness. Do these parents think that by having access to their child's MySpace account will open up the entire world, thoughts, hopes, dreams, fears, hates of their child? No. Talking to them usually helps. Not snooping on their Internet profiles.
This was a clear case of bullying and we all know that bullying is as old as time itself. And like you said, in the old days stories of bullies terrifying others were carried by verbal means. So if we used the same arguement these parents are using, that means that talking is what made the bullies in the old days beat people up.
I think that presently, too many parents are taking the onus off of themselves and finding fault with everyone and everything else for the shortcomings of their children. There's only so much finger pointing someone can do before they run out of fingers. But knowing these people, they'll probably blame the Higher Authority for only giving them ten fingers...
Posted by: Bhak | April 9, 2008 9:18 AM
No offense but whether she said anything mean or posted anything mean is beyond the point, freedom of speech. That freedom doesn't exactly leave physical scars (emotionally maybe, get over it). The beat down is absolutely crazy. These students should be charged with everything possible. Assault, Felony, Kidnapping, blackmail, attempted murder and anything else they can tie the video too.
Let me explain some:
When the girl stopped the victim from leaving, that is kidnapping without a doubt. When the girl said she would "catch a bigger beat down if said victim went to the cops", that is blackmail. The video shows the girl waking up from being unconcious from a prior beatdown, head trauma + more beatdown= attempted murder. Oh, and I forgot, conspiracy and premeditated charges also. The use of the cameras and the number of people lead to those charges.
The girl obviously won't talk trash anymore, she got her beatdown. Now it's time to show that bullying has its consequences also, these kids need to go away to jail or juvenille detention for a couple years as an example to other bullies.
Posted by: Chris | April 9, 2008 9:40 AM
A beauty queen I know is constantly talking about character education as her "platform." At first I thought she was just being conservative, but I'm beginning to think there's a real case to be made for it as a new subject in school.
Posted by: Kristen O | April 9, 2008 10:13 AM
I saw this on the Today show this morning and I was outraged. Seriously - I was yelled at the TV.
The mother of both Megan Meier & the mother of the victim were blaming youtube & myspace for "supporting" such horrible acts.
I've been relatively vocal about my distaste for youtube. Why? Cos it's transcended. It has little to no competition and basically has inserted itself as acceptable form of media that no one seems to question for their kids. HOWEVER, that's not youtube's problem, that's their success. They're providing a community-based service. COMMUNITY BASED. Aka, the community has the choice to watch, post, repeat.
It's about education & parenting. I was enraged to hear these people pointing at myspace & youtube, like its an autonomous brain with a singular attention span and an embedded moral core.
Crazy people... Do not rely on sites to RAISE YOUR CHILDREN. Do not rely on sites to give your child a moral compass, or discipline them for being bad. Sites have no singular focus within their community, and therefore cannot stop for a moment to put their hands on their hips and give appropriate attitude to inappropriate choices. That's not the purpose of the site.
This is also why people need to be aware that CHILDREN UNDER 13 should not be hanging out there. Or at least, not without thorough community & understanding from their parents.
The problem is NOT the internet, it's the fact that a group of people had teen-aged children make TERRIBLE PREMEDITATED choices to beat the CRAP out of a single girl. That is the heart of it. What adds to repulsiveness of this is the fact those same children wanted to then SPREAD THEIR BAD CHOICE AROUND in a public forum. Very "Carrie" to me, ahem, pigsblood + prom.
Le sigh. And calm. Sorry, I just get fueled by people who are not taking responsibility, and instead spreading their own insanity by blaming everyone else.
The mother of one of the girls spoke yesterday on the Today show, and I couldn't help but ponder about apples and where they fall compared to the tree in this case.
Posted by: Izzy Neis | April 9, 2008 10:27 AM
Thank you for posting this, I had much of the same response on my blog. Blaming YouTube and MySpace is totally off target for anything productive to come from this disturbing story.
Parents have to be teaching kids empathy for other human beings. The lack of empathy is what leads to trash talking about peer beatings. I wish that was the message making the news, not another "internet is evil" story.
Posted by: Amy Strecker | April 9, 2008 10:57 AM
After seeing the video clip over and over and over again with the commentators talking about the serious problems with the internet, I wonder if the news shows have any problems with their own shows running snippets of the video over and over again. How quickly they’ve forgotten that TV used to be the cause of all of societies ills.
Aside from that, I have to agree that most teens aren’t thinking how cool it would be to beat someone up just so they can put it on YouTube. Most kids just don’t go around beating up other kids- it takes a certain mindset that has no sympathy for others to do that sort of thing. You only had to hear the interview of a parent of one of the suspects and, given her attitude, you could imagine how she’s raising her daughter and understand why her daughter would be involved in this sort of thing. Parents get an awful lot of blame for even the slightest thing, but sometimes it really is the parents’ fault.
For these kids, posting it on the internet is more like a bonus rather than a reason to do something. YouTube does help broadcast trends- think of all the goofballs who tried to “ghost ride the whip” a year or two ago- but again that just would have spread by word of mouth before. The trend would have evolved slower, but it still would have happened. It’s really more interesting discovering why girls are becoming more violent, or rather, more willing to act upon their aggressive impulses, which has been happening long before YouTube existed.
Posted by: iesnead | April 9, 2008 1:01 PM
Thanks for your thoughtful and articulate post on this story; I was looking for just this sort of thing when I was posting about it on the orb28 blog yesterday. The internet is not to blame for teens fighting--I'd rather look at the cultural implications of why those girls thought violence was an acceptable way to deal with the problem, but no one seems to be talking about that.
Posted by: orb28 | April 9, 2008 2:16 PM
You know, another interesting fallout of this whole incident is the immediacy of the mob justice that results. I believe these girls deserve every bit of justice that can be served, but I believe that the government should do it, not the people. What I'm referring to is what I found last night in the comments sections of the assault video on YouTube. Many, many people were posting comments that contained the names, addresses and phone numbers of the eight teens and inviting people to inflict harm upon them and their families. This isn't right. Social media has its perks, but sometimes, it brings people too closely together too quickly and can incite swift mob mentality that festers into what can result in horrendous consequences. If someone did indeed harm one of the family members because they now have the address, will YouTube be blamed as an instigator and co-conspirator now because it was a platform for people to post what is in essence an electronic lynching poster?
Posted by: BHak | April 10, 2008 7:10 AM
Totally appreciate that point about the internet Anastasia. Most fears that people have about online culture are fears that have existed long before computers entered our world.
Posted by: dave | April 10, 2008 3:23 PM